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How did two brothers find their individual journey in faith and as career first responders?
What drives someone to leave behind a promising career in architecture for the unknown world of law enforcement? Join us as we sit down with brothers Jose and Luis, first responders whose life stories are nothing short of inspiring. From Luis's transition from architectural dreams to serving his community as a police officer, to Jose’s journey as a high school police explorer finding his place in firefighting, their paths are marked by unexpected turns, relentless dedication, and an unwavering commitment to their community and faith.
In a world where faith often intersects with career, Luis and Jose’s experiences in 2020 mark a pivotal moment of spiritual awakening that reshaped their lives. They open up about the trials and tribulations they faced, including setbacks and rejections, and how renewed faith led them to fulfilling roles in their respective fields. This isn't just about religion; it's about finding purpose, resilience, and peace through belief, and how spiritual guidance can light the way in the most challenging of careers.
Balancing the high-stakes nature of first responder duties with personal relationships is no easy feat. Listen as the brothers share heartfelt anecdotes about the importance of supportive partners, the role of faith in handling trauma, and the community impact of their work. From discussing current issues like weapon laws to sharing profound stories of faith in action, this episode is a testament to the dedication, love, and compassion that drive first responders like Jose and Luis every day.
Ask a Cop Authentic community engagement with law enforcement professionals. It's an opportunity to get raw answers to your real questions, In the same way that officers can never know what to expect on their shift. Ask a Cop is recorded live and unscripted. You'll find that these men and women are approachable and eager to answer your questions. Get ready to Ask a Cop.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so for those of you who don't know me, my name is Jose. A lot of people know me my brother, luis. I've been going to church for about three years now, calvary Chapel, miami. Awesome, it's been amazing getting to know people. Got married here with somebody that I met in church, daniela.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Many of you guys know her and yeah, man, so blessing being here with you guys.
Speaker 5:Awesome Luis. Yeah, my name is Luis and I'm just so blessed to be here just to share what the Lord has done in our lives, in our careers, in our personal lives, just all the friendships and all the family, all the brothers and sisters that we've gained from coming into Calvary Chapel, miami.
Speaker 4:Man, that's awesome to hear. We're going to pull up the text messages right now on the computer that way we can all see them as they come in. Messages right now on the computer, that way, you know, we can all see them as they come in. I know that everybody's uh wanting it to be fine-tuned. The volume, the, the, the technical details. Shout out to producer adrian there on the other side of the table. We, we love him, we thank god for him, for him, uh. But, guys, let's get started here. We talked about so many topics that we could cover and I was telling you guys, I was saying it's up to our producer, but we're gonna have to have each of you on a solo conversation because there's too much. But but for now, man, this is so cool. You know the both of you first responders, your brothers and, uh, lewis. You started in this field first and you were telling me a little bit about it, how initially you wanted to go federal. So if you could retell a little bit of that story for our listening family.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I was actually growing up I always wanted to be an architect. Going through high school, a little bit of college, that was my major and then I just felt like that wasn't it for me. I didn't want to be tied down to a desk. So I started searching and I came across criminal justice and I said this looks fun. So then, initially, I so I started searching and I came across criminal justice and I said this looks fun. So then initially I wanted to go federal and then I did a little bit of digging while I was taking my classes in criminal justice, majoring there, and I just saw that you have to be moving a lot stuff like that. So I said you know, I'm really close to my family. And I said, man, I really want to stay here in South Florida. So then one of my coworkers at the time told me hey, why don't you apply for law enforcement? I said, yeah, that sounds good. So then I applied and I got hired shortly after.
Speaker 4:Awesome 2014,. You said right.
Speaker 5:Yes, sir 2014.
Speaker 4:Awesome, awesome. And, jose, you're a little bit newer to the profession.
Speaker 2:Yes, I am. So I started the department about two years ago but, as, like my brother too, I'd never really wanted to be a firefighter, my first initial career choice was to become a police officer and I was a police explorer for about five years. You know, that was like straight out of high school. That's what I wanted to be, as I wanted to do and wanted to do. And just talking with him and his coworkers, they kind of told me, like my brother saw in me, that I was a big fan of the medical field. I always liked everything that had to do with medicine, trauma and stuff like that. So he told me he's like look, why don't you try fire, see if you like it, and if you don't you can always switch back and come to the police, come to police, and you know, I went ahead and did that, started going to school, did my emt, did my first ride along and that's after that's when I knew it this is what I want to do.
Speaker 4:Awesome and uh, even police explorers right for people that don't know. That's um, how would you describe it?
Speaker 2:it's, I think most people know, like jrotc, it's for police it's kind of the same as like jrotc that you do in high school. You just do it, yeah, for every department has their own program and they have different ages. Usually it's from like 13 to like 18. And then, you know, you join, you learn about the job, you do ride-alongs, you get to meet people and it's pretty much an experience for, like high school students that don't know what the job consists of and they're able to get a view of what it's like before they jump and make that decision.
Speaker 4:Awesome, awesome. Yeah, you know, just sharing little details for people, maybe parents listening. Hey, that sounds cool, you know, maybe my kid will be interested so you could look into it. Awesome, Awesome stuff. So we have a question already. I love it. People are taking initiative. We haven't even given the phone number. Let me catch you up a little bit.
Speaker 4:If you heard the intro, you know this is Ask a Cop. If you're new to the ministry, if you're new to the station, we have a phone here in the studio. You can call or text us anytime. But if you call or text us during a live program, there's a chance that you're going to end up on the radio. Now, that's not to scare you, not to call. That's to encourage you that you can have fun, that you could participate. If you're listening to this on Ask a Cop podcast, that phone number is still available to you. Like I said, if we're not live in the studio, we'll get back to you as soon as possible. So here's the studio phone number that I'm referring to 786-313-3115. If we're live, call Texas right now. You can participate.
Speaker 4:If you're listening to the podcast or the recording, get in touch with us so that we can get in touch with you. Here's the first text that came in. Can you share one example where being a Christian made a positive impact on your work as a police officer or firefighter? You know, god is so cool. This is exactly one of the things we had talked about, but let's just take the question as it is, what comes to your mind. Whoever wants to go first. I love it.
Speaker 5:They're looking at each other. Bro, you go first. Bro, you go first, brothers, brothers I think I'm being a christian and being in law enforcement, right, I think, um, they always see that glow in you. They always see, um, just the effects of the holy spirit, right? Um, they just see you coming in and you smiling, and even when things are not going your way, you always know that you can fall back on the Lord. And people will see that, right, you're always, you're never trying, you know, to just have a positive mind. You know relying on the Lord, and they see that you know, as you go to work, your every day, they see, just like I said, you know, the effects of the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the real difference.
Speaker 2:Jose, what comes to mind? For me it's also very similar, like my brother um, just co-workers and patients as well. You know you deal with a lot of, you know bad situations in the job and there's people co-workers as well like seeing how you know you're happy, your joy, and you have that love, that joy for the Lord, and just them seeing. Where is he getting that love, that happiness? And people coming up to you and talking to you, man, and people eventually got to meet me and know you're a.
Speaker 2:Christian and just to be able to share the Word of God and my testimony, the things he does in my life with my coworkers and even patients. Sometimes it's amazing.
Speaker 4:So that's something that's impacted me in my job a lot. I can imagine how that looks for you as a firefighter. You come off a scene, you know the blood, the wreck, whatever it is, and they're going. Bro, what's up with you? You're good to go, You're fine, You're kind of strange good to go, you're fine.
Speaker 7:Well, what's? You're kind of strange, you know. There's always a clear difference too, because, um, I think when you have the lord and I've seen it in in officers there's, uh, there's, it's a genuine joy, it's a genuine being okay, um, because, uh, because there is a fake version of that and and it's easily seen, because when they're going through that fake version themselves and they see it wasn't one time or two times, or three times, and then there's there's the girl in front, or, or alcohol, or temptation, and there's been a resisting and, uh, you know I'm good and and the Lord giving you strength to even overcome the things that they defeated a bunch of stuff. But the things that defeat all those co-workers, those temptations, those distractions, defeat them and you're able to withstand those two and you're still happy.
Speaker 7:What do you mean? You don't do that and you're still having a good time and and I think people don't know where to put that and eventually, I think it, you know, uh comes around, yeah, to point to the lord. It's not like you have to say much, but eventually they're gonna see it in a. So I see it in you guys. Um, you know absolutely.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know, as you say that I think of specific examples. I think think of a officer I rode with once and I said man, you know, you seem pretty down to earth, he goes. Yeah, you know, as long as I have this, because after work I do this and that it's so funny, it's exactly what adrian was describing. Guys, I want to give you a chance to just kind of kind of both of you co-tell this story here, because I think it's so connected, the fact that jose you mentioned it already lewis kind of tried to persuade you not to become a police officer, and then you were sharing how important it was that you did not get hired the first time. So can you guys kind of walk us through that? He's wanting to be a cop. You're telling him no, he's not saved yet, he's going through his own things. Tell us about that season. What was that like?
Speaker 5:Yeah, neither of us were saved at the time and I just saw him. He was young and I would see that when our parents, when our family members, were given money for christmas and birthdays, stuff like that, he would always go and he would always spend it on survival stuff. He was spending money on like uh, blankets and in case you get hypothermia and you know so, if you get like the ones with the face and you print your face like the ones they sell.
Speaker 5:Oh no, I think he knows more about it than me, but it's like yeah thermal. And then like, if you get a snake bite, what do you do? And I saw that passion in him and I said man, like you would. You would make a great. You know medical, whatever it is you want, whatever field you want to do, but you would do great in medicine. And then I said I think you should look into becoming a firefighter. And then that's where story picks up and he can talk about that yeah.
Speaker 2:So once, pretty much, we had that conversation and I made that, that switch, that I was like, okay, this is the career I want to pursue. As my brother said, we weren't saved at the time. So I was doing, you know, I was going through schooling, I was doing my paramedic, my MTE, my fire certification, and during that time I started applying for different departments and the first two times that I applied I got denied. I didn't make it through the whole process and during that time I wasn't saved. And then here comes, right before COVID, when we got saved, started going to church, started praying, focusing on what the Lord wanted me to do and not what I wanted to do, and with a lot of prayer and waiting on the Lord, but obviously still going to school and acting to pursue that career, I ended up getting a job with a department.
Speaker 2:And once I got hired and then I was saved, I look back to my life and I'm like man, thank the Lord that I never got hired before, because knowing the life I was living, the life of being in sin and wanting to party, wanting to be with the girls, wanting to go out to drink that my life would have been destroyed. It would have been. You know it wasn't with the girls wanting to go out to drink that my life would have been destroyed. It would have been. You know it wasn't what the Lord wanted me to do. So now I'm very thankful. You know that the Lord on His timing how everything turned out Extremely thankful for that.
Speaker 4:You know, I so appreciate that because, especially I think right, I could be wrong, maybe it's with any job, any job, but I think, especially in the first responder community you know you're ready, you want to go to work, you want to get started. You're applying at different departments. Some people have their dream department. You know, I want to work here, I want to work here. They have their second choice, their third choice, but to understand that god's in that, you know, if you didn't get hired the first time, if you didn't get hired at your dream department, that god is in that. What an important, uh thing to see.
Speaker 4:Now, this is something that we did not talk about too much in preparing. But I realized that we're skipping over quickly something huge, which is you guys getting saved, and we just kind of take it for granted that you know I wasn't saved and now I'm saved and and you can tell right your speech, your attitude. But I want to go back and and just, you know, you know you could give the three minute, four minute, four-minute version. But what happened? Why did you get saved? I mean, you just had a dream. Jesus came to you in a dream. You said yes, lord, like Paul, I mean what happened.
Speaker 5:No, for me it was in the academy, so that was 2014. And one of my class members his name is Joseph, he was coming to Calvary and then I would just see Joseph and I would just see, you know, just like how he walked his daily life with the Lord and he wasn't cursing, he was always smiling, and we became really good friends. We became very close friends. I started coming to Calvary Chapel for about a year Now it's my rookie year and then, you know, I'm focusing more on work than anything else. And then I always remember something Joseph told me and he says if my life means that I get to save one person, then that's fine with me. And then that always stuck with me, always stuck with me, and I was like and then, so now I'm a rookie officer and I'm putting all this time into work, doing all overtime, and I put my job on a pedestal right, I put, I removed god and I always, you know, put my job first. So then I always knew I had to go back to the lord um, I would even see raz through the station, as he's a chaplain and then you know that contagious smile and he would always tell me like hey, I'm praying for you and I was like, okay, but deep inside, I knew I had to come back. I knew that the life that I was living is not the life that I wanted and then, like I said, 2020, um, I made that decision.
Speaker 5:I think one of the things that kept me from coming back was what are the people at church gonna say? Right, that's just the enemy, and and that's just. They're going to ask you where have you been? And I can tell you today that not one person asked me, that Not one person asked me hey, man, where have you been? What have you been up to? And then I was like, wow. So I came back and, yeah, I was like, hey, man, I'm full in, I am walking with the Lord. Did a, I am walking with the Lord. Did a whole 180, and the old Lewis was crucified, you know. So then, yeah, that's my verse.
Speaker 4:Man, that's good. That was the three-minute version. Thank you, perfect, perfect. How did it happen for you, jose?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so for me it's very similar to my brother. So, like he said, he started coming with Joseph and then, pretty much somewhere along the lines, I tagged along my brother I was at the time I was 13, so when he was coming, 2014 and 15, wow, so he would like, you know, obviously we lived together so he would take me with him and then start coming. But you know, like he said, we both, you know, we didn't take it serious, we both fell off. Um, then same thing back like 2020, we well, throughout that time period, my brother and I would always talk like hey, like hey, you know when are we going to go back?
Speaker 2:You're going to pass by, and I always felt like the Lord was like tugging on our hearts, like man, you're like you need to come back, you need to come back. But we'd always put an excuse like oh, no, next Sunday, or all this and that, and you know it, it with that guy bro. Like, like he said, everybody at the church was super welcoming, loving, nobody questioned what we were doing where we were at. Oh and man, everybody was just so loving and welcoming and my brother and I were like hey, from here on out, taking the series, taking the lord serious and what he wants us to do for him. My first kingdom awesome, awesome.
Speaker 4:What a lesson right for on both sides. If you're listening and you haven't been to church in a while and you have that fear, just let it go, give it to the Lord and trust Him with that. Don't be afraid, don't be hesitant. And if you're on the other side, if you're at church, don't get religious, don't get on your high horse. If somebody comes in, love them, welcome them, don't turn them away, don't embarrass them. You wouldn't want that done to you and you hopefully heard clearly that that's exactly what these guys were worried about. But because it didn't happen, the grace of the Lord got them. So what an awesome thing. Thank you so much. So we have a text here. We're going to get to it. We're going to get to it soon.
Speaker 4:I'm just looking at all the things I want to ask you guys. Lewis, let me ask you why. Well, you already said part of it, right? You saw that he had an aptitude for the medical stuff and again, if I'm pressing too much, okay, I'm going to change the subject, but I have a feeling that it wasn't just. Oh, he likes the medical stuff. I think that you thought that maybe fire department's a better fit. There's some tough things about being a police officer. Times are changing. Am I assuming too much? I mean, was there anything else in that? Um?
Speaker 5:um, well, I mean, I honestly, as the big brother, you know you don't want to see your little brother like be in the front line as an officer. You would rather him do anything else but that. No officer or I would say a lot of officers don't want their kids doing that, because you know the things, you see, you know the things you've been through and you want to be the big brother and be like, hey, man, I'm going through it, you don't have to go through it. So that was part of it. And the other part was, I don't know. I really did see his, just his desire, his heart for medicine and you know, I knew that he would be able to use that more in fire versus in law enforcement. Right, there are times, but you know they're put in that situation way more than law enforcement, for sure, for sure but you know they're put in that situation way more than law enforcement, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 4:And um, jose, you, you mentioned something, how you fell in love with the medical stuff. I mean, nerd out on us a little bit what, what, what was going on that?
Speaker 2:you just, it's just something about trauma.
Speaker 4:Yeah, specifically that's funny, I like them it's not like let me clear that up he doesn't mean trauma like at a psychologist. He he means trauma as in traumatic injuries. Exactly yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2:So there's something about that that just, you know, I don't know. I just liked, I liked and I knew I always wanted to have a job that's not behind a desk and it's helping others. Obviously, I know there's a million other ways you can help people. But that there's a million other ways you can help people, but that to me was like it was completely different from like, let's say, nursing and just becoming a doctor. It's just because you're right there in the, the first initial incident, right when it happens yeah right where all the chaos is happening, not one.
Speaker 2:You know the patient's already packaged and it's given to you. This is like you know right. You know right where the incident happens. You get it the real deal, you get it right there, and that was something that I'm like, man, the actions that I take here on this scene is life or death. So that always really interested me and I've always wanted to have a career path that allowed me to help others. And you know, man, I was like why not take the gifts that God gave me and apply it? In that sense, you know.
Speaker 4:I agree. I agree Again, anybody listening. I mean, if you have a gifting, if you have a propensity, something that attracts your interest, your passion, check it out right. Don't just follow your heart, quote, unquote your whole life because you're going to end up in a dumpster somewhere, but check out how God has built you and pray about that. Definitely something I'm hearing over and over as Adrian puts the mic on and we get him online here, here we go.
Speaker 7:If you've recently maybe bought a heat blanket or a packet of Band-Aids, maybe you want to look at a tourniquet.
Speaker 7:Now you're really advanced if you get that, but you never really know. Yeah, um, if you, if you get that, so, but you know you, you never really know. Um, I, there's something though there with I don't know if how you said it enjoy the, the traumatic part of it, and what medicine and what the different practices I may apply will do to end that for someone, or help someone, or put a stop to this bad thing going on, and and um, and so that's very interesting, right, like you don't have to even necessarily want all the heat blankets and and all this stuff beforehand, but if just the idea, uh, of, uh, man, I'm gonna train that, what I learn and what I'm able to stay calm in a chaotic situation to help another person, um, you know, these are fields, these are career fields. Beyond those things they're, they're they're able to provide for your family. And so we, on god's way, radio, ask a cop, uh, through the podcast, through the radio listeners, um, we've met a lot of officers and a lot of firefighters through this and just even here at the church, and it's amazing when you see God in the midst of that career and you know you mix those two things and I think they're the first ones that see evil.
Speaker 7:They see, you know, they see danger. Often they see really bad people, they see innocent people hurt and all of those things with the Lord, man makes such a huge difference, and so I encourage any believer out there to pray about where they're going to invest their life in, you know.
Speaker 4:Absolutely. We got another text here. If you want to text or call us, if you're listening live, you can participate. If you're listening to the podcast, you can reach out to us and we'd love to connect you and help you any way that we can. The phone number to the studio is 786-313-3155. Here's the text we got, guys. It says I know both of you are recently married and that specifically, these jobs can be tough on relationships. How has the Lord helped you handle those difficulties? And then they added how you were single on the job at least Louis for a time and then now married. So how has the Lord helped as your first responder, in your marriage? Because, as you know, as the listener said, it could be tough for first responders you know, as the listener said, it could be tough for first responders.
Speaker 5:Yeah, um my wife. You know um erica, she's just like you know, she's like the most beautiful thing and she's like the light at the end of the tunnel you know, like, when I'm having a bad day, I know I can always go to her and I know she's always going to be there for me.
Speaker 5:And you know, one thing that we discussed before being married was, you know, my job, and I had to tell her. Right, I had to be like, look, you know, there are situations where, you know, I'm gonna have to work overtime, schedule changes and stuff like that, and, man, she, she does such a great job with that, such a great job with not giving me a backlash for the things that I can't control. You know, and, um, and honestly, I, if I'm honest, I'm the one that stresses out more than her, like she's the one that's cool, calm and collected. You know, I get home and then I'm like this and this happened and she's like, okay, babe, just we'll pray about it. And I'm like what? I'm like, did you hear what I just told you? You know, um, so yeah, for for her, I mean, she's just such a beautiful person and you know, you know I'm truly blessed.
Speaker 4:That's awesome, Jose. We're going to have to leave you hanging here. We have somebody on the phone, so we want to take their call. Thank you for calling. Ask a cop. Where are you calling us from?
Speaker 6:I'm calling from West Kendall.
Speaker 4:West Kendall Great to hear from West Kendall. It looks like these guys recognize the voice. But recognize the voice, but please, what do you want to ask or say?
Speaker 6:well, I mean, first of all, I mean that this, this, these two guys, I mean I cannot say anything, one point negative about them. I mean they're both very lovely guys. I mean they're, they're very good people, I mean what you have there today is the cream of the cream.
Speaker 6:So and and it's make more interest when you have two brothers almost on the same field, which is first responders. But I need to clarify something to Jose that he says three years coming to church. I believe when he was a little boy, his little boy, his brother was bringing him to church back into Florida. Christian.
Speaker 7:Wow.
Speaker 6:And Lewis says something that probably people up there did not pay much attention, but it's very important what Lewis says, that how he came to Christ by looking to another brother, which is a very dear brother to all of us, which is Joey Flores, and see his behavior inside the police department, inside the police department. So he was attracted to that and he said I want what he has. No, the card no. No. The Bonitillo no no. The good influence no, no. I want that peace, I want that what he has. So probably that's why I encouraged him. Was not a pastor when seeing him with a beautiful smile and praying for you Was not probably the big building, no, was I want what he has. So that's why and maybe his little brother did not realize that but when he started seeing the change in his brother, he says I want what you have.
Speaker 6:And that's a great change of reaction. When you see somebody, their behavior of us as Christians, up there in the street, people are looking at us when we mind our own business and people say I want what he has and that's how we bring people to Christ. I mean you have the sample here with two beautiful brothers. I mean they're an excellent person as a human being. As Christians, they mourn above and beyond. I mean, they're like excellent guys.
Speaker 6:I have nothing bad to say about them at all. I mean, the only thing I would like to ask them both of them is I know how to do it, but maybe the people up there might want to know. How can we pray for you guys? I mean?
Speaker 6:why, do you want us to pray specifically for you guys, to pray for the temptation that you guys want to stay away, to give you the wisdom when you're in the midst of the chaos, like Jose in the midst of the trauma and Luis in the midst of making a decision who's going go to jail? I mean that, that wisdom that both of you, on a different angle, need one in the medical and one on the law. Yeah, so, guys, congratulations. I love you both. You know my heart is there with you guys love you, love you with the god's way radio.
Speaker 6:So we love you guys, love you bye that's a dear brother.
Speaker 4:There's very special brother. Uh, guys, we're gonna put that in our pocket. How to pray for you, the prayer request? That's awesome, uh. But uh, host, I want to let you uh answer the question that we had before we get too far off that topic marriage how you succeed in marriage as a firefighter when so many are struggling yeah, so that was uh.
Speaker 2:For daniella, my wife, it was a crazy adjustment because you know, in a lot of jobs you get married, you're able to sleep every night with your wife you're gonna be, you know, going to sleep in the same bed every night.
Speaker 2:And for me, because of the way my schedule works, you know we work 24 hours and then we're off 48, so every two days pretty much, she'd have to be sleeping alone. And you know that was a hard transition for her because she was living in her parents house prior to and then you know, now she's, we live together. So that was like one of the hardest things for her to adjust, and it still is.
Speaker 2:Sometimes she has trouble, because sometimes it's not just a 24 hour, it's 48 or you know, god forbid, something happens, there's a hurricane or storm. It might be more than that.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And but her knowing that this is the calling the Lord has for him, just I feel like that gives her a peace in mind. That is like he needs to be there. He needs to be there, he needs to do this. And you know, I mean, obviously in the future maybe the Lord opens a way and my schedule can change, but at least for now, you know that's one of the hardest things that she's had to deal with. I think something that's helped us out a lot in my career and being married is going out out together, you know yeah getting not talking much about work.
Speaker 2:You know just that disconnect from what's work and real life. So you know, when we go out on a dinner, a date that we don't, just it's not always about work, work, work, even though you know sometimes I might have something, might have impacted me that I need to, I want to let off and I want to talk to her about. You know it, it's fine, but just not having to, just having that disconnect from work and our regular lives like helped us out a lot.
Speaker 4:Absolutely. So, you know in. In summary, I would think here's what I picked up, right? Uh, louis, what you mentioned is, man, my wife is supportive, you know, she's prayerful. Again, I'm thinking of the person that asked the question, a summary answer, bullet point, and anybody else listening that they didn't know they had that question, but they're listening and they're needing the answer to that question.
Speaker 4:And then, jose, the ability to disconnect and also a sensitivity to your wife's needs, to your wife's. What's hard for her? You know you might say, you know, I don't know. Maybe somebody would think, oh man, it shouldn't be hard. You get to hang out and do whatever you want and actually realizing, no, actually I kind of miss you. You know I'm kind of lonely. No, this is actually hard for me. This is new for me. So, being sensitive, I know I'm taking notes. That is awesome, luis, you're going on. It's going to be 10 years next year on the job, if I did the math correctly, and you've done a lot of cool stuff. But you're doing something pretty cool right now and I know it's just fun to talk about. I know you've done presentations for students. Tell us what it's like to be a canine officer when you got started your journey.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that was something that I always wanted to do since I became an officer. We grew up with dogs and we were we always loved dogs, so I was like that's something that it was in my heart to do. Um, I always said, okay, if my career comes to an end and I've never done canine, that's something that I will regret. And it's great. You know we get to um search, we get to look for that bad guy where he's hiding, right, because, um, dogs, their nose is millions of times better than our nose. So, wherever the case may be, where they're hiding, you know the dog will tell us. And it's awesome. You know it's um, it's a very fulfilling career. Or I say unit, when you know you see your dog and you give him a command and he does it. It's like you know your child. That's basically how it is.
Speaker 4:That's awesome yeah, I've been there when you've done some uh training you know you have to put certain chemicals out you're training the dog. I mean that's like I don't know, that's like secret agent stuff that's pretty cool yeah tell us I know there's students listening tell us more about some of the nitty gritty. I mean, you got to prepare things with the dogs.
Speaker 5:We have to train with them a lot for when we do encounter that situation, you know we're able to come across it Right and everyone can go home safely at the end of the day. So, yeah, we do put our odors, depending what type of dog you have, and you know we keep them sharp. We do certifications. So yeah, that's pretty much everything we have to do awesome has there been lewis and and I don't.
Speaker 7:I don't know for sure, but has there been um a moment where the dog has has found, uh um someone?
Speaker 5:yeah, they were searching for, yeah you know, the best times is.
Speaker 7:I don't know if it's the best, but it's a scary moment you're walking through not knowing there could be somebody around and that feeling I mean, you know you, it's part of the job, right. But then I gotta believe there's like a little bit of an excitement when it's like we found what we're looking for and then it gets. You know, there's a scary moment and the dog, and then you know yeah, good question.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it's a mix of emotions because, you know, now you're surprised because you didn't know the guy was there. You're like, whoa, um, and then, yeah, you're like, okay, we found them. So now the worry kicks in and now we're like, okay, now we have to do this safely, right, how do we apprehend this guy safely, or woman, whatever it might be, um, you know, safely, so we can, everybody can go home safe, right? Oh, it's the subject and that is the goal. That is the reason why we use the dog, is, you know, so we can all do the job in a safe manner, yeah, and and for the dog looking at the demonstrations, for the dog it's like.
Speaker 7:It's like he just found a toy like that he doesn't know the difference necessarily he's trained.
Speaker 4:You know this smell means, if I find this I I get a treat, I'm gonna get a treat you know.
Speaker 3:So for the dog?
Speaker 7:he has no idea I mean, maybe they I don't know, I'm not a dog psychologist. Yeah, that would be interesting if you were.
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Speaker 4:Guys, I wanna get a little bit more serious here. That's not what I meant to say. Into some of the more intense stuff. You know what you guys see day to day. It could be intense and, as we've spoken before, what you guys see is real spiritual battle, real spiritual warfare, and you guys know exactly what I'm talking about. Um, so I just want to share with the listeners the fact that, yes, there's a spiritual battle going on in our streets, in our communities. Whoever wants to kind of comment on that first and elaborate a little bit?
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely, you get a lot of view of the spiritual battle that happens within our city and for me, one of the biggest things has been being able to see the different calls we get through a different lens being a Christian.
Speaker 2:To see the the different calls we get through a different lens being a christian. Um, you know, for a regular guy, seeing someone who's trying to kill themselves or, uh, the violence you see is just, oh, it's a big excuse to just saying, oh no, they're just crazy, they're just crazy. And you know, for me, when I look at that I'm like man this person is is being manipulated by the enemy, you know, to either kill themselves, you know, hurt others and man, like how, and you see, like people who do drugs, and then they have, like you know, the superhuman strength and this and this and that, and, like you know, they always excuse it. Oh, that's just a drug, this is a drug. But I see something else, you know, I see that person is being used by the enemy in that sense, and that's just, like I said, the different lens that I might see it, and then my co-worker might see differently.
Speaker 4:And let me ask you and again I don't have I'm not assuming the answer to the question. This is an honest question Are you saying that every single case is the devil and the demons, or you're saying many cases and some cases?
Speaker 2:I would say many, okay, many, um, because sometimes you see, like, let's say, like the suicidal situations I've been involved, like I've seen, yeah, and they're the age ranges I've had from, you know, teenagers to 80, 90 year olds, the way they do it changes, but at the end of the day they act the same thing they're trying to take their lives. Um, sometimes it might be accidental because somebody gave them something, so I don't really know, I wouldn't count that, as you know, something like a spiritual warfare, but for the most time, it's most of the time, it's just them trying to do it to themselves. You know, and in those cases, which is a majority of the cases, I would say, yes, it's definitely, yeah, spiritual warfare great insight.
Speaker 4:We're gonna take a call and and we'll get back to Louis on that topic. Thank you for calling. Where are you calling us from?
Speaker 3:Good afternoon, Joey. I'm calling from the beautiful city of West Miami.
Speaker 4:The beautiful city of West Miami.
Speaker 7:These guys are laughing already. Let's see, let's see.
Speaker 4:All right, gentlemen, live radio. Here we go, west Miami. What do you want to ask or share? Hey, seriously, my brother, I thank you for calling. What do you want to ask or share?
Speaker 3:Hey, seriously, my brother, I thank you for calling. I know I know. No, you know two things. One, I'm just very thankful and blessed by the two guys you have being interviewed. I don't want to do a fan club thing, but you know just so much, blessed by their brotherhood and their friendship and just being able to come alongside them and do life with them has for me been an honor and a blessing and just seeing them grow in the Lord. So it's beautiful to see that.
Speaker 3:And, on that note, the thing that came to mind that I think not just beneficial to listeners but even for myself and maybe for other, you know, first responders listening, because you know we talk a lot about like all the trauma and the things that people see in that field and I don't know how they do it, but I mean they do it, I don't know how, but the question, you know, the question for me is how and maybe they've kind of been answering the question but how has the Lord, what difference has the Lord made? Like what would you say? You know, where has that, where's that difference come from? Because obviously you know you have the relationship and you go to church and Because obviously you know you have the relationship and you go to church.
Speaker 3:But the Lord you know when you're on duty, you're on the job, you're in the moment. How has the Lord made that difference in your life? You know, when you compare it to maybe another officer or another first responder that doesn't know, the Lord you know. How has he made that difference in those situations?
Speaker 4:Yeah, well, let them answer. We have somebody else on the line. So, my brother, we're going to take your question and we're going to let go of the call so we can free it up, but obviously stay tuned for the answer to your question.
Speaker 3:Yes, sir, god bless you. Thank you so much.
Speaker 5:So we have somebody else on the line, we're going to have them hold for just a moment and guys, guys, let's, let's try to tackle that question, uh, briefly, please yeah, um, the lord, he gives you that peace that surpasses understanding, right, and whenever you have a task in front of you, um, another thing is, like my brother said, he gives you these. You know, like, just, you see things a different way, you see things through a different lens. So when you have, you know, problems in the just in our community, such as, you know, drugs and alcohol and stuff like that, the enemy is the same as he was in the garden, right? So he comes and he just puts in doubt, he puts in stuff like that. He puts in you know, things in front of you where you're gonna put that before the lord.
Speaker 5:So those things may be, you know, like I said, drugs, alcohol, whatever the other thing may be, and you just, you know it causes people to go, you know, against family members, against loved ones, and as I see that I'm like man, what a difference would be if they had the lord. Because you know, like, we weren't always saved, like we know, before we were christians we were in the same boat, right, um, as far as you know, we were putting things before the lord, we wouldn't put the lord first. So, like my brother said, you know, like, the partying the girls like those are things that the enemy puts in front of you and you go after, but then that just leaves you empty.
Speaker 2:That's all it does uh, one thing I want to add is just being a christian and being in this career field it's and this, this should be for any. Anyone who's a christian and has a job is like. The lord has blessed me with this job and the fact that he did, that I'm gonna do this job to the best of my ability.
Speaker 2:So, when it comes to going on calls and you know, knowing what I need to know and treating people how they deserve to be treated, who I want to be treated, yeah and you know, just showing that love and I, even though I know sometimes it's difficult, you get, you know, the one patient that's being a headache or that calls at like three or four in the morning, like I understand, you know, sometimes you know things, but just being loving to that patient, you know, just treating them how I would love someone else to treat my family members if they're showing up to my house. That's something that, as a Christian, I've really focused to do that in my job.
Speaker 4:And what I heard there and I heard it from both of you, but it really came to the surface, as Jose was sharing is dignity as a Christian right. I'm thinking I'm listening to the question. I'm thinking I'm listening to the question. I'm going, man, and that's, that's something. I think that's it right there. One of the things is like, man, how does it happen day to day on the job, when you approach someone, that you think because, as a cop, right, look. I mean you're thinking, man, are they armed, are they gonna fight me? You're thinking of all those things, but with a foundation of dignity.
Speaker 5:Yeah, man, that's got to make all the difference yeah, as you see, you know, as you go through the bible and you see how jesus treated people right, that is the same way you would like to treat them right when people come. And we see people at their lowest right. We see people when they are really in need. And then for myself to be there, it's just a blessing. You know, for the lord to use me in that capacity is truly a blessing, man, awesome we have somebody else on the line.
Speaker 4:Let's take the call real quick. My brother, I think this is sweetwater doral represented. Yes, it is awesome if we could, if we could be brief. I love that you called.
Speaker 6:Let's do it okay, two questions. First of all, thank you guys, thank you for the job you're doing. And another question is um, what do you think about the law that you're just trying to put in? You're allowed to have a weapon without a permit. Is that going to be harder for you guys, or is it going to be the same? It's the same.
Speaker 4:Awesome. So we got to thank you and encourage you. Man, we got a question. Hey, thank you. Good question. Thank you so much, my brother. We're gonna let the call go to free up the lines and let these gentlemen answer. Uh, so yeah, we have an honest question from the community. You could pass.
Speaker 5:You could give your your opinion, let's see yeah, well, my personal opinion, I believe that you know it is going to become a little bit harder, because now we don't know how it's going to be implemented, right, we don't know what clauses to the law they're going to be. If there's going to be, you must have this, you must have that. We don't know that yet, but if it is plain and simple, yes, anybody could carry. Yeah, that is a little scary because you don't know who's carrying and you don't know if that person has been through examination, that person has been through the range. They've been taught safety, they've been taught all that. So, yeah, that is a little scary, but I think the hope is that you know there are clauses where you know I don't know if the person's gonna have to do an extensive background. Those are things that you know. We don't know yet, but that I hope for cool.
Speaker 2:Uh, for my job, I mean, the only ways I could see that really affecting it is, um, like just thinking. Now, like you know, obviously, when we have a patient and let's say that patient was involved either in the use of drugs, let's say, or in a car accident, and there might be what we call like ultra mental, so they're not in the right state of mind in that moment because of what happened, that if a lot of people are now wanting to carry that, you know that firearm has to be even for something as minor as a car accident, let's say they crashed, and we would have to have pd or law enforcement come and, you know, take care of that weapon before we transport the patient, because we're not going to go and transport a patient with you know, take care of that weapon before we transport the patient, because we're not going to go and transport a patient with you know, a gun through to the hospital and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:So if there that's the only way I could think of that it would affect.
Speaker 4:That's interesting. That's an extra step. Yeah, that's something that we like same thing.
Speaker 2:We would have to see how it's implemented and the amount of people that are going to be carrying. We don't know, and you know just what happens with that very interesting guys.
Speaker 4:Thank you for chiming in on that great question. You know, if you're listening, we love taking questions and uh, yeah, sometimes they're a little bit easier, sometimes they're a little bit harder, and we want to take care of our guests, you know they're, they're free to pass, but these guys uh took the question with flying colors. Lewis, I want to give you an opportunity. Going back to the other question seeing the evil, seeing the spiritual battle every day?
Speaker 5:um, yeah, yeah, just to chime in from your end yeah, like I said before, um, you know the lord gives you that peace that surpasses understanding and, um, you know, you just see the evil and you see it from a different lens. You know, just like, again, the enemy and everything it does and how people are, just, you know, trying to feed the flesh right and they're just going after things that are empty, going after drugs, going after all those different stuff, and, um, I've been able to see people that have entered a community and they've been like super clean, super normal, and then, after a certain amount of time, you can see their body start changing. Wow, they become skinnier, they become like just and due to drugs. So that's something that, yeah, you know it does, does like stay in your heart wow, um I I would excuse me.
Speaker 4:I would ask um, have you guys yet had an opportunity to kind of like share the lord with somebody on the job? Try to inject hope in that situation. Have any of you had that chance yet?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've had it with coworkers and with patients as well Coworkers, some with my classmates. I had a classmate that he's Catholic and, you know, during my time in the academy, everybody kind of knows you get to know each other. Everybody knew I was, you know, a Christian. They saw me pray. You know, before time in the academy, everybody kind of knows you get to know each other. Everybody knew I was, you know, a christian. They saw me pray.
Speaker 2:Uh, you know, before I would eat, and then all that caught their attention and then I think it was our graduation there, right the day right before we graduated, one of my classmates comes up to me. He's like, hey, man, um, do you mind if you pray for me? Like, wow, can we go, like you know, to the back room and pray for me? I was like yeah, yeah, and so we went. I know I prayed for him and I told him I'll be doing. You know, whatever you need, I'll be here. You know the lord loves you. And now I was able to share that with him and then, just throughout my career, with other co-workers. You know the conversation that's come up, the discussions about, uh, god being real got nine. You know, just being there to plant that seed and, just, you know, tell them about the lord and you know, hopefully the lord, you know, softens their heart for them to come to him.
Speaker 4:But any patient stories?
Speaker 2:yeah, with patients running.
Speaker 4:Hey, by the way, here's the guy. How did that happen?
Speaker 2:so I've had one that I actually told my brother about not so long ago. I had a I don't remember how old she was, but an older lady. She was like in her 80s, 90s. She tried to commit suicide and she was taking, uh, she was taking like pills to end her life. And you know there's not really much we can do in that sense. But you know, take you to the hospital to see. They have, you know, draw blood, do have to do so.
Speaker 2:Just during the ride in the, in the back of the, the rescue. You know, I was just talking to her, you know, like kind of saying, hey, look, what were you doing? And saying it's not right, it's not gonna lead to anything good. And I was able to pray for her. And you know I didn't have to, I didn't pray a lot, I just prayed, you know, I just like put my honor, prayed and I was like, you know, lord, just please do a work in her. You know, if she has, you know, some type of demonic spirit thinker, just please, like you know, just release her from that. And she, you know, obviously I was praying to myself, so just close my brain. And she told me she's like she's. I know what I need to do now. And I was like, and she's like, oh, I need to ask the Lord for forgiveness. And I was like what? And then she tells me she's like, oh, you and your brother are both blessed. She's like, oh, you have a brother, right? I'm like, yeah, she's like, oh, you and your brother are both blessed. And I was like, did you tell her you had a brother? No, I didn't even supposed to go to that call.
Speaker 2:That call was given to me and my crew that someone ended up. They ended up like they couldn't get the right address. Something happened. I forgot and then they gave it back to us. It was like another station or something like that. They gave it back. So we went back there. We were on our way, they canceled us, we came back and then they sent us there again. It wasn't anywhere in our territory. So, just like those stories that happened that, I'm just like, lord, like you know, it's crazy I don't even know how to explain it.
Speaker 2:It's just, it's. I'm just thank the lord. Hey look, yeah, I was able to maybe be there plant that seed. You know the lord does work in her now, hopefully.
Speaker 4:I don't know really anything about her now, but you know, wow, and I don't know if you're gonna. I'm not.
Speaker 7:It's not a competition, but that was pretty amazing fire and police brothers in the same room Is no one wondering why? Is this not more of a competition?
Speaker 4:I mean, I've been wondering it, but any story that comes to mind where you're able to share, oh, yeah, With coworkers, and you know I love when they challenge you.
Speaker 5:I love, when you know they bring out these conversations about if God is real.
Speaker 5:If God is not real, and you know I'm just able to preach the gospel and I'm able to say what you know, I believe in and you know, hopefully, just put in that grain, you know, so they may be able to, you know, grow one day and it just comes when, um, when you have this peace, when you have the lord in your life, you know, when you've seen what the lord has done in your life, you want the same thing for everybody else. Right, you're like man you're missing out on so much, because you know, I know what life is without the Lord. So that's the other thing. Like my coworkers, they saw me when I was in walking with the Lord, and then now they see me walking with the Lord. So they're like, hmm, you know, like what's different. So I'm able to tell them, like. So they're like, hmm, you know, like, well, it's different. So I'm able to tell them like, no, you know, this is it man, this is who I am, this is. You know, this is the Lord.
Speaker 4:Absolutely.
Speaker 7:You know I have a question, joey. You know you talked about hard work and how you know you try to do excellent in what you're doing. People see that. Does that sometimes end up giving you more work? Like you know, there's things probably that people don't want to do, that you know they might not want to, I don't know. Clean the station and it's you know, and so you're like, ah, and so do you get like does it? Does it make you stand out? But in the sense of not, where someone is saying, oh man, this is the christian, he's so nice, but now it's like man, he's willing to do all the dirty work and so, yeah, do more stuff in here and you end up getting all this negative stuff from it. And if so, how do you deal with that?
Speaker 4:Because that can happen in any job. That can happen in any job. You might not want to be a pushover where it's like oh man.
Speaker 7:Well, the Christian, hey buenito give him everything and you're like hey, no, I have a certain stand, but at the same time, yeah, I'm willing to go above and beyond. Do you have those situations?
Speaker 2:or anything. I mean in that situation there's always like, obviously a time and a place for it to be addressed, like, let's say in my case, or let's say in the station, and stuff needs to get cleaned, things need to be moved around and whatever you know, it's obviously the one who's in charge who sets, you know, the example for others. So if, if most of the guys they see, uh, the captain working or the lieutenant working, then they're gonna jump on it. Oh no, I gotta work, even though there might be not a person to not regularly work. So I mean, it's just I haven't personally experienced that yet. I mean it has happened in calls, but that's the's the reason why it's not just one person or two people on a truck. At least for my department it's three. So there's multiple brains thinking about how to solve what's going on, in case one of the brains is off that day.
Speaker 2:So I'm not trying to say that there is it's like every job there's people who don't know more than others, or someone might excel in one thing yeah.
Speaker 2:Or I mean they see, oh, he's the nice guy with other people, let him do the talking, that kind of thing in our job there's I mean, the station life is different from when we're on calls, because when we're on calls there's a life at risk. For the most part you know majority of our calls there's a life at risk, so you really really need to be on your A game. There's no playing around there because someone's life could be, you know, in jeopardy. So when it comes down to that, there's no playing around. Yeah, stuff happens at the station. Someone might be lazy and who knows, maybe, like someone, might be having a bad day and I can open up something to talk about with them and, hey, even your prayers.
Speaker 2:So the Lord opens ways to talk to people in different senses. I haven't personally experienced that yet with the whole, like cleaning the station and stuff, but on calls, yeah, it happens. I mean someone might have an off day and you might have to you know pick up on their slack, or maybe you have a bad day, but you know, obviously, that trust and bond with your coworkers helps a lot For sure Luis, anything like that.
Speaker 5:No For me. I think I've honestly been blessed with that. And my partner now he's also a believer. He's coming to church, to our church. So that's been great. We both get to share responsibilities and we all get to see through the same lens, right.
Speaker 4:Let me ask you guys something here what's the goal, what's the long-term plan? Luis, are you going to be chief of police? Jose, are you going to be the chief of fire? And here's to give you a second to think and to really be serious about what I'm asking you. For people it's different, right, but I think there could be an unhealthy or ungodly ambition sometimes. Oh, I'm going to step over people, I'm going to be this, I'm going gonna be this, I'm gonna be this, I'm gonna get this position. Some people and it's funny because the reason I thought of it was adrian's question they just don't want to do work, so they never want to get promoted. But for different people is different. But what are your guys goals to? And? And now we have to circle all the way back around to how can we pray for you? We can't leave that brother hanging so kind of like goals, plan, career, and how can we pray for you?
Speaker 2:So for me, that's one of the things that I could actually use some prayer on In both of our departments. There's so much you can grow, so you can go through different units or you can move up the ranks, so there's so many ways that you can go about your career. And that's something that I've been thinking about lately because obviously, whenever you move up or to another unit or to another rank, there's always pros and cons to it Change of schedule, change of days off and just more time being spent in the job. So that's something that I've been trying to really pray about now more If I want to go to a specialty team, if I want to do SWAT, medic or something like that SWAT medic flight medic leader medic, and all those have pros and cons of my life and obviously, like I, prioritize church, amen and the lord more than everything, so a lot of prayer involved.
Speaker 2:That doesn't that that career won't affect my relationship with the lord yeah, I mean again, just before lewis goes.
Speaker 4:I mean again the. The credit goes to the Lord and he's using our lives and your lives as an example. But, man, if you're listening, are you prioritizing? Because to some people it's like, ah, I missed Sunday, no big deal, I missed Wednesday, no big deal. Man, I know you guys your schedule can be all over the place sometimes if you miss a service, you're eager to get back. You know so for everybody listening, so important.
Speaker 5:But uh, lewis, yeah, just goals and prayer requests yeah, I think jose touched on and, if you have, any scriptures.
Speaker 4:I know you had some.
Speaker 5:Okay, yeah, um yeah, we see, you know, like jose touched on it perfectly and I think the scheduling right, because different units it might be, it's great, that's what you want to do, but it comes with certain sacrifices. And then I think for us, you know, is you know we do want to continue to do the lord's work. We do want to continue to, you know, come to church, grow in church and, like you said, so many people which is part of my testimony so many people you know they want to grow. It could be in the corporate world, it could be anywhere, they just put their job first. Um, I know from personal experience some people that they're with their kids at the playground and they're on their laptop and it's like certain moments that you're never gonna get back right.
Speaker 5:So, and then, as we see in luke 241 and you know, you see jesus, he's 12 years old, right, the story where he gets lost. And then what does he tell his parents? You know he's like, hey, I'm about my father's business. So that's just a prayer for me, a personal one is just, you know, to pray for just, um, where the Lord has me, if he wants me to continue to be in this unit to change. But I think the prayer is you know to continue to do ministry, be able to do ministry, be able to pour into the next generation, and just for law enforcement, for discernment, you know, like um adrian said, you know who to take to jail, who not to, and who needs.
Speaker 4:Uh, you know the gospel yeah, guys, I can't thank you enough for being here. I mean, we went to the buzzer here the seconds are, are, are going and going. We're gonna have to have you back. That's just the fact of the matter. Gentlemen, thank you so much, thank you guys for having us. God bless.
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